Talk:Submissions/Indigenous knowledge for Wikipedia: Bending the rules?

From Wikimania 2013 • Hong Kong

I recommend coming up with a specific alternate proposal that can be implemented as policy. There are many active editors on wikipedia and sister projects who want to support oral history - including some of our most veteran members. You have seen the work that Achal Prabhala has done on this topic? 76.119.232.111 19:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We will make specific suggestions. Any rule changes will have to pass the community at large, though, not just the Wikimania crowd. Still reading up on Prabhala's Oral Citations project.--Pgallert (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have just read up on the meta:Research:Oral Citations project. Our focus is partly different, in that we wish to make oral knowledge accessible to the English Wikipedia. Populating an indigenous language Wikipedia or an incubator might be a vehicle to achieve that, and will be a byproduct. Our solution suggestion is also different: We do not attempt to convert oral citations into a Wikipedia-acceptable format like audio. Neither do we plan to use Commons as publisher, precisely because of the ethical problems. We wish instead to convince the community to accept the oral citation itself, and we believe we have good arguments for that. There was a lengthy discussion at en:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_115#Oral Citations a year ago, unfortunately I wasnt aware of that thread at that time.--Pgallert (talk) 09:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback

Great presentation. I was impressed with the way you engineered your discourse and you really targeted Wikipedians/Wikimedians. I think you are addressing issues that have been brought up for quite some time, but with a very specific and enriching approach. I also really liked how you focussed on the system rather than on the ethos of it. I think you made the point much stronger by highlighting a systemic bias, which does not require to change rules but to acknowledge how they actually work. Thanks. --Iopensa (talk) 04:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]